” The City of Santa Ana will pay out more than $700,000 under the severance agreement struck with former city manager Paul M. Walters,” according to the O.C. Register.
The Voice of OC asked Santa Ana Mayor Pro Tem Sal Tinajero if the council majority miscalculated? “A miscalculation is the car’s running at 50 miles per hour and you think you can get across before you get hit,” Tinajero said. “But if the car speeds to 110 miles per hour, that’s not a miscalculation, someone just changed the rules on you.”
Tinajero’s lame answer says it all. The Council blew this one big time. And once you figure in the cost of a national search for a new City Manager and the cost to pay our current temporary City Manager, Kevin O’Rourke, the total cost of the Council’s petty vendetta against Walters and Mayor Miguel Pulido could be over one and a half million dollars!
The Register also reported that O’Rourke “will receive a $22,083 monthly salary. He will also receive travel expenses of up to $4,000 a month for the first 60 days, and up to $2,700 a month afterward. He would also be allowed to use a city car for personal and city business.”
The Santa Ana City Council is spending money our City simply doesn’t have. And the State of California is still looking for the City to pay back over fifty million dollars in redevelopment dollars.
Walters by the way wanted to return to the SAPD but instead the Council blew him out and now has had to pay him a mint – which he deserves. But this mess was entirely avoidable. The Council created this disaster and now they have to sleep in it.
This Santa Ana Spring, a term Tinajero coined, is starting to look just like the disastrous Arab Spring. And with Walters out you can expect the bodies to start piling up in our city, just like in the Middle East…
So who changed the rules on Tinajero?
Walters, the City Staff, The City Attorney? The IRS?
The system is rigged man. He should know that. No matter which direction you move. Booby trapped.
Matt,
YOU GOT IT MAN!
Somebody at the VOC just lit up that shill Art Lomeli on this same thing.
What promises were made?
By whom? To Whom?
We should have resident expert Robin Cook chime in on wether an agreement made in secret (thats what Tinejero is alluding to) is a violation of that pesky Brown act, the Springsters like to babble about.
The dude there goes on to ask if Tinjero was saying the reason they didn’t return Walters to his job of 15 years (police chief) was because of what his wife and brother in law said! But, they gave him a building!
GOOD POINT MATEO!
Looking forward to all the new changes that the Santa Ana Springsters keep promising but never deliver.
As Tinajero says, it’s only money and it’s not costing him anything!
A closer look at O’Rourkes contract shows that in addition to the $265,000 per year (the same as Walters was paid) PLUS $8,000 in travel expenses for the first sixty days. Assuming this is to cover his travel too and from home (Northern CA????) and $2700 there after.
FIRST QUESTION IS WHY?
SECOND WOULD BE WHAT CONSTITUTES TRAVEL?
Not bad for a 100 year looking man….enjoy the tax payers money…”Walters”
He didn’t want to leave. The Council forced him out and now they own this mess.
Oh Come on Carpetbagger, it’s a drop in the bucket compared to what we are about to lose when the city files for BK! Lighten up.
I don’t think that the SAPOA will allow the city to BK if they have a deal in place. Now if Santa Ana defaults first, thats a different story. but the BK process is long and deliberate.
I think they’ll just run it into the ground slowly, with stuff like this.
Some SUNSHINE HUH Vince?
Good job, New Santa Ana! Finally! Somebody did some real investigating and came up with a dollar amount that is closer to the truth! Instead of automatically believing the council, I would say that everything that comes out of their mouths is suspect!! As for Tinajero’s answer, WTF?! Doesn’t he teach debate? He needs to stop hanging around Martinez and Reyna. His speech is beginning to be as unintelligible as theirs!
As an interesting side note; O’Rourke’s peers say he panders shamelessly to his bosses and does absolutely nothing. These asylum-dwellers are lucky that Walters loaded up the reserves during his short stint as city manager. It may be the only thing that keeps them from going BK!
The example this council provides for young people is shameful.
Except for Pulido and Sariemento, not a single member of the council posesses the oratory skills to be Willard Class President.
Why doesn’t someone in the liberal wing of the democratic party address this with them. get them into remedial english classes. SERIOUSLY.
While that will strengthen them and stymie progress at least we won’t be the laughing stock of California.
If I were a parent at Fullerton High School, I would request an appointment with Mr. Tinajero to determine if he is as stupid as he sounds. If so, I would move to have him fired.
This is NO WAy to move the latino cause forward, to put these folks out there.
The voters vote for the candidate of their choice, and that includes their speaking skills.
Lawyers are English majors and know how to twist the language well. The Mayor has years of public speaking experience.
Council members mostly come from the general population and therefore the speaking skills are a representative of Santa Ana as a whole.
I think that is the way it should be.
This Council is hurting our city and making Latinos look bad. Other than that I’m sure they’re fine people.
Well repeling messure “D” would go along way in changing the council outlook.
Cook,
I am hard pressed to dispute what you say.
It was a considerate well thought out response.
Funny, this arguement elsewhere results in incredibly stupid comparisons to Abe Lincoln and George Washington. In a few sentences you make your point.
A point well taken, however,the current council is nearly unintelligable on matters of great concern. I point to Sal Tinajero’s last two statements regarding Walters dismissial. Sal is a teacher, he is suppossed to have a better demeanor than he demonstrates.
I supose none of this really matters, what does is their actions. Their skills are merely representitive of their abilities.
Oh my God Cook,
Please go back and think about what you typed. Please let me remind you, it should not the practice of this council to govern from the LOWEST possible plateau, be it economically or morally. Maybe this thought will help you understand. “A rising tide lifts all boats”
“This is NO WAy to move the latino cause forward, to put these folks out there”……. Hmmmmmmm
That sounds like the Affirmative Action did not accomplished what it was suppose to accomplish, which was to “move the Latino cause forward” in expense of the scoring.
You are lucky that Green Go prevailed to struck down the bilingual education otherwise the council wouldn’t speak any English but would speak bad Spanish.
You have done it to yourselves by calling Green Go racist. So Green Go got pissed off and left the Santa Ana.
It is your City now so sow us!
RIght on Agent Orange! You are 100% correct.
“you, me one Henrygattis and Beellzebub are all the same”……… Hmmmmmmm
But only I have a physical evidence about the truth!… HaHaaaaaHa….. HaaaaaaaHaHaaaaaa
What you have is complete delusion. I am offered you the opportunity to see the IP addresses on our comments and apparently that proved too difficult for you.
I have look at them, they are different, but I have demonstrated that I can post at this forum under hundreds of IPs from virtually all countries of the world.
So the IP is not an evidence especially when the only support in validity of IP is your statement “trust me I would never post under secondary IP”.
The only way you can get out of this is to explain how the “carpetbagger” learn about Villasenor’s brother where only you and I knew about it.
Forget about others just to me!
And you can’t do that.
Knew what about her brother? His actions are a matter of public record.
Thank you for the kind words.
Stanley, who is Villasenor?
I know about Micheles brother from reading it here, as for Romans brother, this was an issue when he wanted to work with young boys at the YMCA?
But, I don’t know about Villasenor or understand who that is.
“Stanley, who is Villasenor?”……. Hmmmmmm
Same person you knew very well in following comment!
http://newsantaana.com/2012/10/29/outside-interests-launch-cowardly-attack-on-mayor-pulidos-family/comment-page-1/#comment-36209 at October 30, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Please notice that you have made the above comment before Art approved (actually deleted) my comment at http://newsantaana.com/2012/10/29/outside-interests-launch-cowardly-attack-on-mayor-pulidos-family/comment-page-1/#comment-36205 at October 30, 2012 at 6:19 pm
So you are liar carpetbagger!
Here is email from Art:
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I do!
The only Carpetbagger would comment on Villasenor’s brother which Carpetbagger removed from my prior comment:
“Do you recall in 2004 attacking Vla Senor, running for the ward 6, by publising that her brother is in jail for rape?”
You are not really intelligent Pedroza.
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With my second comment which he also did not approved til today.
But he retroactively approved my prior comment where I am mentioning Villasenor’s brother to cover up his ass.
Actually carpetbagger, your comment above was made by you when my comment above was deleted by Art.
So now you claim that you do mot know who Villasenore is and then you knew, even though there was no reason for you to make that comment because my comment was not visible until Art responded by email at 7:00 PM about 20 min after you did made your comment.
Clearly, Art Pedroza is carpetbagger as shown by my prima facie evidence.
Wow. That is so convoluted that you might be the only guy who understands it.
OK, you can plead insanity Art in your defense.
However you do admit that the statement made bay carpetbagger at February 23, 2013 at 9:00 am
“Stanley, who is Villasenor?”
is a lie if he stated at October 30, 2012 at 6:39 pm
“I wonder if Villasenor’s brother is out on Parole, he’d be the typical Benavide’s supporter: Reformed Jesus Freak felon.”
Liars do not remember their lies.
That is enough to prove that you are carpetbagger and others!
Why would I ask who she is when I helped to wreck her campaign? You’re not making any sense.
Please answer the question!
As sown in above comments dated February 23, 2013 at 9:00 am; and October 30, 2012 at 6:39 pm; Is carpetbagger liar or not?
Yes or No!
Apparently he is a tad forgetful. So is Martinez though, right? Didn’t she just tell us at the last Council Meeting that she doesn’t remember the details about Walter’s ouster and that we should ask staff?
“Apparently he is a tad forgetful”……. Hmmmmmmm
That is because he is liar and he cat remember even when he is Carpetbagger or Pedroza or Henrygattis or Beelzebub.
I am done hear!
Unfortunately Dr. Amalgam is correct in this one.
I have been a leading blogger in Orange County for years and have NEVER resorted to doing so under any names other than my own, and “editor.” I literally spend hours, every day, posting on my blogs. Why would I resort to anon comments when I can post whatever I want, whenever I want to? It makes no sense if you stop to think about it.
I don’t know who Carpetbagger is or who any of those other commenters are and I don’t care. I cannot blame them for not using their names, not as long as the litigious Liberal OC bloggers are still lurking.
Your continued insistence that I am using fake names to comment is libel. It is baseless and you should know better. When am I ever dishonest Fiala? I have been putting my neck on the line for years, for the people of this city, and I will keep doing so regardless of what the haters have to say.
Based on foregoing prima facie evidence you have no credibility about what ever you say.
You have never answer my questions honestly, have been zig-zaging and playing stupid.
In addition, virtually every anonymous comment has same stile, same anger, and same substance.
You can fool some people sometimes, but you can’t fool all the people all the time
And gave me a break with the “libel” crapola.
You’re right. Many of the comments appear to be written by the same person. What you are forgetting to mention is that they don’t sound at all like my own writing.