Updated: Why do we know so little about the attack on a young woman at The Crosby?

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• I cant believe this editor. I clicked on the link to learn more educated information on the case; sadly,I've just become more irritated with the comments I am reading from you. I grew up in santa ana Ive lived in the area. I would hang out there with my family are YOU SERIOUSLY going to tell me its not safer now then before. I had FAMILY AND FRIENDS who DIED in the 90's because of so much gang activitiy. You could not hang out in DTSA without fear of being mugged. That fact that this incident has been one of few to the area in years should say a lot. And you trully have exploited the death of this young women to bash an area that is full of life. Times have changed sir, and as part of the "hipster" crowd from the area, you can glady move away. Negitivity like your in not needed, nor respected. Shame on you for bashing your own community.

  • Did you know that the artists at the Santora are also calling for more security in Downtown Santa Ana?

    I have lived here for over 25 years and I'm not letting my kids hang out in Downtown Santa Ana until I see substantial safety improvements.

• I frequent downtown, I was there friday and was the day of the first murder in the parking structure. The security guys patrolling don't get involve in anything. Also I hate the fact that someone of you have the idea that it was because she was Asian? And the first person murder was also Asian? There's no pattern whatsoever. I go to downtown fridays and I'd say at least 70% of the people that attend are asian. Saturday I'd say 80% of people that attend downtown are Hispanics. Simply because Asians frequent fridays and of course there's more probability if something happens its going to be asians. Not trying to be racist just simply saying the facts. It sucks to hear someone gets murdered the place I like to hang out. I hope they do catch whom ever committed such act. The santa ana police is useless though.

  Also did she have any friends around when this happened? If so why did they not help her? All this is really weird to me it was also close enough that the crosby security guard would have seen and helped.

  There's something missing in this story, I wonder what the argument was about that started the fight...

  Anyways just my .2 cents.
  May she rest in peace

  • Thanks for your comments. Yes there is still so much that we just don't know.

• I am a frequent patron of the Crosby since it has opened about 5 years ago. Since then, the Crosby has played a huge role in revitalizing the downtown Santa Ana area. The people behind this establishment are the most respectful and down to earth human beings I know. They have built this place from the ground up with their own blood sweat and tears almost killing themselves while doing so, and has become a second home for some people. A situation like this has NEVER happened there. EVER.

  Security WAS there (if you watch the footage of the video), other people were there, there is no one to blame but the people actually involved, the gang of guys and girls that walked away free. The Crosby is doing everything they can to help bring justice to the situation. It all happened so fast, trying to find out the full story, so soon after is near impossible. NEWSANTAANA.COM is not a credible news source and anonymous comments are just hearsay . What happened was not right, and it's only natural to want to put blame on someone or something. If every bar could control every patron this would never be a problem. People need to take responsibility for their OWN actions. We should be populating this thread with positive comments about trying to help find the people directly involved instead of point fingers.

  • There is no need to disparage this blog. We have been covering what happens here in Santa Ana since 2009. When mainstream reporters want to know what is going on they calk us!

    I don't blame our readers for commenting anonymously given how vindictive the downtown gentrifiers are.

    As for your pals at the Crosby why don't you ask them about all those health violations? That mess is all on them!

    • how does health violations pertain to the situation at hand?

      like that person ^^ said "We should be populating this thread with positive comments about trying to help find the people directly involved instead of point fingers."

      sounds like you have a vendetta against the crosby. Sad man. You should be focusing your energy elsewhere... maybe somewhere more useful to make a positive change in the community.

      "peace can not be achieved through violence, it can only be attained through understanding"- Ralph waldo emerson

      • It sounds like you don't care much about public safety.

        • its sounds like you are finding anything and everything to put blame on the crosby. The crosby has helped clean up the downtown santa ana area! its ridiculous that you are putting blame on an business that is fighting for the same thing you are! a better/safer/cleaner santa ana/
          the health code violations were not due to bad food being served... no one was harmed no patrons were harmed... NOTHING... they didnt even close down during business hours because it was something that was a PRECAUTIONARY measure to be taken to ensure that health codes were up to par!

          please stop ASSuming because its only making an ASS out of you and me (only because i am taking the time out to respond to your ignorance)

        • So the Crosby is cleaning up Santa Ana even though they can't keep their own place clean?

  • anonymous.

    Perhaps if you used your REAL name (Chase, Benavides, Martinez, Lomeli, NISCO, ALFARO etc...) whatever it is you would have a little bit of CREDABILITY. You repeatedly cite anonymous comments yet you can't even use your own name.

    The reality is, is this: NISCO, ALFARO,YAMAOKA and their untrained, underpaid staff let a young woman DIE at their facility/business. Why did these bouncers not act. If these soft rules are what the city requires in achieving a booze license, we now know why the FBI is investigating the city government!

    POSITIVE COMMENTS? What planet do you live on?

    The owner(s) of the CROSBY let this girl die. Plain and simple.

    • Dear Francisco Puelise,

      my name is JEANETTE SAWYER and i am responsible for the comments left at 2:23 and 2:56 in the thread above. hopefully this gives ‘credibility’ to the opinions stated above. I am not an owner of the crosby, and its ridiculous to assume that the above comments are from them! I’m almost positive they are dealing with matters larger than this and the need to want to defend themselves on a blog, that in the past has been notorious for bashing their establishment, is NOT a top priority. People are defending the Crosby because those three gentlemen are GOOD people. They have built this place from the ground up with the intention to create a community in downtown santa ana that attracts artist, musicans, foodies, etc. Their employes are not underpaid or undertrained. Most of them have been working there for years… some since it has opened! that has to say something about how they are as owners. They have made this their second home. It is my second home. Why would ANYONE want something like this to happen on the doorsteps of their home?

      They hire out their security through a legit security agency that multiple Orange county venues use. The fight was between two groups that never entered the Crosby. I know, i was there inside on friday. It is not a rational conclusion to expect an establishment to take on the responsibility of a situation that could not have been prevented by the already provided protection of having on sight security, they had nothing to do with the harmful situation. It was a fight, putting the blame on the bar is like saying we should blame the freeways and the people who construct the roads for fatal accidents. The people involved in the fight are to blame. We should all take this a as a reflection on how our actions/and words can be fatal and promote peace by not perpetuating hate about an incident that there is very little information. This could have happened infront of proof bar, memphis, lola gaspare…. anywhere.
      So yes positive comments to help the situation at hand move in a forward direction is where, I feel, the discussions should go. Not to sit here and point fingers and go on rants that just fuel the fire that will lead to nowhere good.

      • Ms. Sawyer,

        You are obviously close to this situation and the management of the Crosby (which I have patronized). But, you sre increfibly biased. Almost blind to Pancho's (Puliese) comments.

        First, it eas a MURDER not a fight.

        Second, as Seamus McDuff opined, the downtown is becoming (or has become) a haven for drunken visitors. Very few Santa Ana families go to these high priced bars. They poorly represent Santa Ana.

        Further, the owners BETTER NOT have better thing to do than rally around a Murdered patron. After they wash Phams blood off their hands,they should consider paying better attention to the community.

        Lastly, the Crosby did not "turn DTSA." Million dollar develepors who whored out the council did.

        We (citizens) warned this was going to happen. They were right. Just like the guy who blew the whistle on PAYAN - MEX and the lack of insurance. Cavasos took one look at that and made them move to a stadium. Where they belong. Hopefully he puts his foot down here and send cops and code inspectors into the Crosby.

        PAYAN-MEX put people at risk of twisting a knee or breaking a wrist. The Crosby puts you at risk of being POISIONED or KICKED TO DEATH.

• OC Register just posted raw video of the fight and it's claiming that the girl is still on life support.

  http://www.ocregister.com/articles/woman-598073-bertagna-police.html

  • The Register also just laid off 32 people and they are selling their headquarters. So take anything they report with care.

    The OC Weekly reported that she died. I trust them a lot more than I trust the Register.

  • Here is the video link:http://m.ocregister.com/video/v/3081842734001/video/

• Better link. It's on YouTube now.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCyBi-ZNxrE

• There is a problem in with security in DTSA as well as the SAPD. I while back I visited Proof and on my way out was attacked by a male. Luckily my I was with my boyfriend who stepped in to protect me although shortly after the idiots friends jumped in and continued the attack. Throughout the whole incident no security members stepped in even after they watched as a Female got punched in the face by a guy twice her size. Only 2 bystanders stepped in to help in stopping the attack. Thanks to those guys that stepped in and called police of course after hearing that cops were coming those cowards stormed off. After arriving SAPD did nothing even after I pointed out the individuals involved. They just turned around and responded that I too would be charged if I pressed charge. I had to go to the ER afterwards due to the injuries I was left with. This all could have been stopped almost immediately had security stepped in, instead of watching.

• This is so sad,,to take someones life,,,Lord have mercy, your just a bunch of heartless haters,,I feel for this family,,this was someones daughter,sister,cousin,friend,niece grandaughter,Auntie,,she was human she had feelings,,how could you heartless people just keep.beating on her and to top it off 2 males 3 females ,1 person couldn't od been enough,, I pray Gods vengeance over you, I hope you lose sleep over this and never get a peace of mind,,,I am so angry this is just so wrong,,,,,,

• This is so sad,,to take someones life,,,Lord have mercy, your just a bunch of heartless haters,,I feel for this family,,this was someones daughter,sister,cousin,friend,niece grandaughter,Auntie,,she was human she had feelings,,how could you heartless people just keep.beating on her and to top it off 2 males 3 females ,1 person couldn't of been enough,, I pray Gods vengeance over you, I hope you lose sleep over this and never get a peace of mind,,,I am so angry this is just so wrong,,,,,,

• CROSSPOSTED FROM EARLIER THREAD:

  NOYB-

  What in the world are you taking about?

  People have been discussing the gentrification of downtown Santa Ana on this site from the beginning.

  Many posters predicted (fearfully) that this is exactly what was going to happen to the downtown community. Young adults fueled up on booze, testosterone (or estrogen!) and drugs would destroy it. While the out of town business and property owners RAPE the area of character, financial independence and basic services take their profits back to Newport Beach, Villa Park and areas beyond, WE, the residents are left to mop up the vomit, urine and now blood.

  If the management of the Crosby was the LEAST BIT interested in anything but their reputation and PROFIT$, their staff would have stopped this, or at least called in the police.

  The government will do NOTHING because these same business owners lined the pockets of the city council. Meanwhile people like you criticize from us when we question “ALL NIGHT” liquor service and granting MORE liquor licenses.

  The fact that this could become a RACE issue very quickly is even scarier, it is being reported that the attackers used racial slurs while kicking this young lady to death.

  Is this what we get when taxpayers send elected officials to NALEAO conferences instead of good government conferences? That is a fair and honest question.

  The city council owns this.

• She was my cousin. And I never had the chance to meet her. This is devastating news for our family. R.I.P Kim.

  • We are so sorry for your loss. I hope her killers are caught soon so they can face justice.

    • Thank you. The amount of kind words our family have been receiving has really had a positive effect during this time of grieving. We are glad there is such a large amount of support and awareness being spread worldwide.

      • May God bless your family in this dark time. Many people are praying for your family! I hope that the killers will all face justice soon.