Update: Santa Ana Occupy’s camping bid is D.O.A.

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• "And we want to bring this mess to downtown Santa Ana? No thanks."....... Hmmmm

  FYI, Admin that mess are your unalienable rights.[emphases added]

  However, I am concern about giving a platform to psychopaths and rapist's of the constitution like Communist Vern Nelson and Zionist Greg Diamond. (They really "F"ed your Orange Juice Blog)

  However, historically such lumpenproletariat never prevailed so I gees they have constitutional right too.

  I believe that this is very important cycle in otherwise sheep like USA society to regain its self consciousness.

  So relax Admin about the Santa Ana Occupation and the Usual Suspects and be concern about the Communist Vern Nelson and Zionist Greg Diamond because they are your next domestic enemy, and;

  These are my new Trojan Horse candidates.

• mmmmmmmm Carnitas. Government is owned by Apathetic Do-nothings that think that they are holding society together because some bigger corporation or interest paid them to think so or act so. We need more thinking out of the box or in a tent or in an "Occupy" Assembly circle. Shamans are still more respectable, moral, and safer than Zombies. Much respect for the Council members that want to hear the debate for or against the current "System" ordinances.

• Admin, when your foreclosure kicks you to the curb. I hope your family comes up with all kinds of new schemes to avoid the no sleeping ordinances. You can all sneak off to jack in the box and find some shut eye in the booth over in the corner with your 99 cent tacos digesting all of the bull shit devices society uses to distance itself from the truth about the sorry state of our economy. peace. MMMMMMMM Carnitas. and a beer would be nice. dont let the cops see. You might be taking your first step into the incarceration trap. Ciations, then city jail, then possibly prison. You are not allowed to be anything other than zombie!!!! unless Occupiers fight the system! peace.

  • In the words of Amy Winehouse, "what kind of f*ckery is this?" Allowing anarchists to camp here is going to deplete our already strained city budget.

    And the working families in town aren't sheep. They are decent people who are trying to survive.

• Uh-oh, mateo, we're bothering Pedroza!

  This "I don't mind protests that I can ignore but I do mind protests that I can't ignore" mindset is exactly why overnight camping is worth pursuing. It's unsettling. Orange County tries not to let itself be unsettled.

  Already, what this is doing is to shine a spotlight on Santa Ana's usually hidden homeless problem. Doesn't that seem like a good thing?

  Here's the approach that Pedroza could take here: this is not Santa Ana's problem; this is Orange County's problem. The strategy of OC has been to let its poor and homeless become concentrated in Santa Ana a few other areas so that the rest of the county can ignore the problems of economic dislocation. It's time for the county to recognize its responsibility as well.

  I find it useful to think of Occupy protesters as time-travelers from the year 2015, giving advance warning of how continued economic stratification will affect our society. We're a taste of what is to come.

  By the way -- I think that Santa Ana spent a hell of a lot more money on its couple of dozen cops and horses being used to arrest four people and cite a few more on Oct. 22.

  As for Brea and Huntington Beach: the third city most likely to be targeted for an overnight occupation, if people can muster the forces would probably be Brea's big brother, Fullerton. I live on the border and would probably be involved with that, if it happens. HB could be another likely spot for an eventual overnight occupation, should one come.

  We're obviously not ready for that yet; the movement in OC is barely a month old. But it's catching on.

  As for the horror stories you tell, Art, come to Irvine and see how people police themselves. You identify serious problems -- many of which already exist even without occupations, of course -- that people need to address carefully. That we're having this discussion here at all is one success of the Occupy movement.

  I hope that Santa Ana takes the path of Irvine rather than of Oakland. Among other things, it's cheaper.

• Put them in Eddie West, so we can listen to Grandpa tardiff complain about how we taking space from the BILLION DOLLAR Diocease of Orange.

  Greg, you are right this IS a county problem, and we in Santa Ana would certainly appreciate it if THE REST OF THE COUNTY WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION INSTEAD OF THE PROBLEM (ie: Brea dumping it's homeless in Civic center).

  It's getting cold, they will go home soon, unlike the ones without shelter, who will still depend on Santa Ana for solutions.

• The county parks charge 20 dollars a night for overnight camping.

  It is only fair for these people to pay a permit fee and to supply potables for bathroom breaks.

  The city, county, and government offices are open from 8am to 5pm. , the prime protest times.

• Art, these protesters are standing up for what they believe in and bless them for that they aren't pathetic sell outs like you. And to think you sold out for so little.

  • Wanting to keep my community safe isn't selling out.

• "The county parks charge 20 dollars a night for overnight camping"........ Hmmmmm

  cook, the 24/7 occupation is not recreational activity.

  Somehow you must separate in you mind difference between the recreation, homelessness, and unalienable rights!

  They are not synonymous.

  I was hoping that you are not as simplistic as the local HOA, CITY, COUNTY fascists so every time you see a tent you will scream camping.

  The constitutional rights do not end at 10:00 pm and start at 6:00 AM and that you must stand holding your sign in you hand while exercising them.

  You have right to lay down and sleep while protesting.

• "Wanting to keep my community safe isn’t selling out"..... Hmmmmm

  Is community safe with abusive COPs and Council's 30M deficit?

  • You know I was stalked by the cops when I complained about the DUI checkpoints.

    As for the deficit, it is clearly the fault of the unions and Dave Ream and the past City Councils, who were controlled by Republicans.

• So you admit that COPs are abusive, Admin?

  As to deficit, I have been challenging Pulido since 2002 about the budget. He is not republican and in spite of having one vote on the council he runs the council.

  What have council done since 2002 to stop unions except for getting check and endorsements every election?.... Huh?

  It is Council's 30M deficit and if you see it differently then there maybe the "selling out" what Jose is talking about.

  • You obviously are uninformed. $25 million of that deficit is pensions. Those were not accrued in the time that the current Council has been in charge.