Bar fight breaks out in Downtown Santa Ana

The Santa Ana Planning Commission is considering new rules for Downtown Santa Ana bars – and several of the more controversial bar owners and other Downtown Santa Ana gadflyes showed up at this evening’s meeting to speak up in support of a proposed expansion sought by Proof Bar.

You may recall that Proof owner Joey Mendes got ripped by the OC Weekly a few months ago when he refused to allow a member of a band that was set to play at his bar to enter his establishment, because the poor guy was using a Matricular Consular card as I.D.  Mendes was there tonight as well.

I have no idea why Tish Leon, who was ousted from the Santa Ana Parks and Recreation Commission, was there tonight.  Nor for that matter do I understand why the owners of Proof apparently have retained Phil Bacerra to advocate for their expansion.  His Linkedin page says he is a “problem solver.”  Bacerra was dismissed by Mayor Miguel Pulido from an OCTA Commission, a few months before Leon got the boot.  Neither Bacerra nor Leon have any pull whatsoever with our City Council majority.

Bacerra, incidentally, is advocating on his blog for an Entertainment Commission – such as the one in the City of San Francisco.  This Commission would issue and deny permits in an “Entertainment” area.  Isn’t that what our Planning Commission already does?  Lame.  The last thing we need is to empanel a bunch of barflys on yet another city commission!

One of the owners of Chapter One: the Modern Local Restaurant (perhaps the most pretentious business name in Santa Ana) was there too – you may recall Tim O’Connor (one of their owners) went off on Downtown quinceanera shops a few weeks ago.  He told the Santa Ana City Council that “You can’t have the same shop, the same stores, the same exact same quinceanera shop across from the exact same quinceañera shop…exact same thing over and over again and expect to be successful. Times have changed. Fourth Street should change with those times,” according to the OC Weekly.

Planning Commissioner Sean Mill reminded those in attendance about what he said by telling the folks at the Planning Commission meeting that perhaps we don’t need bar after bar in to open up in our Downtown area.

The Santa Ana Police Department doesn’t want any more bars in Downtown Santa Ana either…

Mill told me later that he found it ironic that many of the same folks who drummed the Latino-owned bars out of our Downtown area years ago are now trying to open more bars – but of course they are marketing to a different crowd.  Mill also wondered why families are being forgotten in the mad rush to open more bars in the area.

Planning Commissioner Patrick Yrarrazaval, who is the Principal at Valley High School, opined that the Downtown area is a better place to open bars than, for example, opening one across from Lathrop.  Oops.  He apparently doesn’t consider the area charter schools to be public schools, even though they are.  Those schools include the Orange County High School for the Arts, the Edward B. Cole Sr. Academy, and the El Sol Science & Arts Academy of Santa Ana, plus the Orange County Educational Arts Academy (OCEAA).

Do we really need MORE bars in Downtown Santa Ana?  Really?  Santa Ana already has issued more liquor licenses than any other city in Orange County.  It’s not close.  I think we could use some more family restaurants.  Most of us cannot afford to eat at the newer restaurants.  A Chuck E. Cheese would be nice – Santa Ana is the largest city in Orange County without one.

The Proof guys have a lot of nerve asking for an expansion after one of their patrons was shot at 2 am in a nearby parking structure, last year.  The problem with Proof and the other bars is that they don’t serve food.  So their patrons get stone cold drunk.  I wonder how many of these drunks get away with driving under the influence, since the SAPD DUI checkpoints are usually set up in quiet neighborhoods with high numbers of immigrants?  Yes, once in awhile they set one up near Original Mike’s, but they should have motorcycle officers waiting outside Proof every night.  It would be easy pickings.

Nothing was settled tonight, but you can expect a hell of a fight as the Planning Commission weighs the new ruled.  I am pretty sure that the City Council majority won’t likely be swayed by the folks who were at tonight’s Planning Commission meeting.  Did I mention that Irv and Ryan Chase were there – along with their promoter, Archer Altstaetter?  Archer went off on what he intimated are antiquated city rules – but this is the guy who opened his new costume store without a business license!  What does he care about rules when he ignores them anyway?

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Our Editor, Art Pedroza, worked at the O.C. Register and the OC Weekly and studied journalism at CSUF and UCI. He has lived in Santa Ana for over 30 years and has served on several city and county commissions. When he is not writing or editing Pedroza specializes in risk control and occupational safety. He also teaches part time at Cerritos College and CSUF. Pedroza has an MBA from Keller University.
Art Pedroza

Our Editor, Art Pedroza, worked at the O.C. Register and the OC Weekly and studied journalism at CSUF and UCI. He has lived in Santa Ana for over 30 years and has served on several city and county commissions. When he is not writing or editing Pedroza specializes in risk control and occupational safety. He also teaches part time at Cerritos College and CSUF. Pedroza has an MBA from Keller University.

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  • Well written. Its true, santa ana needs no more bars at all. If the city continues to accept and give the licenses, then what is their desire. Is it money? Or is it greater discipline and clean streets. Though we all know we live in a democracy. Yet, officials must use their God given wisdom, and discretion in their decisions. They should not bend to the whims of people who own businesses, who do not care about the city's citizens.Plus, Santa Ana has greater issues to deal with on the same level as drunks on the streets.

  • I like that Sean Mill. He knows there should be more to an Artists Village than just party bars and D.U.I. traps. He is a cultured dude and friend of A.V.A.S.A.?

  • I think Mill should become planing commissioner in Las Vegas. He would turn it into a desert again while asking same stupid question if we need more casinos or bars there.

    And he should take SAPD Chief aka City Manager with him.

    We need more IQ in Santa Ana -- more white Europeans!

    The problem is that too many incompetent people are running Santa Ana.

    Did Mill ever visited any prosperous cities around the world?

    I know he went to Mexico before they were beheading tourists there but you cant learn about prosperity in the Mexico.

    We definitely need more bars but we need ordinance not to serve alcohol to Mexicans because they do not know how to daring socially -- only as burracho.

    https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRVO-17PYt3kVzeee4fb-FJnnPr151aIvk7fIIGKFh1UfZU5sDlqg

    • Sean is white. He travels a lot and he has worked in Las Vegas.

      What we need in Downtown Santa Ana is more full service restaurants and more family oriented businesses.

  • Phil Bacerra a "problem solver"? That is hilarious stuff. His involvement will create more problems than it will solve. By hiring Bacerra it shows that Proof is amateur hour and not ready for prime time. What were they thinking?

  • What's happened is that the gay bars in Laguna have closed down and now they want to reestablish them in Santa Ana. Is that really what we want for our downtown?

  • "Sean is white. He travels a lot and he has worked in Las Vegas"....... Hmmmmm.

    To be white one must be smart!
    To travel one must observe and learn!
    To work in Las Vegas one must not clean dishes!

    Otherwise he will be asking stupid questions about what the Santa Ana needs.

    In the end the Pulido's regime will go bankrupt and the true New Santa Ana will emerge -- the incompetence is heavy.

  • "To be white one must be smart!"

    That's not true...You are white and you are a fuc*ing embecile.

  • The concern in Downtown Santa Ana is fairness for all. Be treated the same and given the same opportunities success determined by the market.

    Las Brisas( previously Los Pancho's) Mexican Restaurant on Broadway between 4th and 5th has, repeatedly according to the owner, been denied a full bar permit while others around Las Brisas get one in no time at all after application.

    The Police Dept. comes by frequently to have the jukebox volume down so it can not be heard outside. Not so with her restaurant?/bar neighbors....Original Mike's frequently has bands in the outside patio.

    Some Artist Village restaurants/bars have received city financial assistance to move there and for improvements while Tampico Mariscos Restaurant, that mostly services the local Hispanic market, in the Fiesta Market Place ... now the East End District was assisted to move out.

  • Bring back the handlebar saloon. That was a bar.

    I noticed the other day the building is tented, is that the expansion you are talking about?

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