Bar fight breaks out in Downtown Santa Ana

The Santa Ana Planning Commission is considering new rules for Downtown Santa Ana bars – and several of the more controversial bar owners and other Downtown Santa Ana gadflyes showed up at this evening’s meeting to speak up in support of a proposed expansion sought by Proof Bar.

You may recall that Proof owner Joey Mendes got ripped by the OC Weekly a few months ago when he refused to allow a member of a band that was set to play at his bar to enter his establishment, because the poor guy was using a Matricular Consular card as I.D.  Mendes was there tonight as well.

I have no idea why Tish Leon, who was ousted from the Santa Ana Parks and Recreation Commission, was there tonight.  Nor for that matter do I understand why the owners of Proof apparently have retained Phil Bacerra to advocate for their expansion.  His Linkedin page says he is a “problem solver.”  Bacerra was dismissed by Mayor Miguel Pulido from an OCTA Commission, a few months before Leon got the boot.  Neither Bacerra nor Leon have any pull whatsoever with our City Council majority.

Bacerra, incidentally, is advocating on his blog for an Entertainment Commission – such as the one in the City of San Francisco.  This Commission would issue and deny permits in an “Entertainment” area.  Isn’t that what our Planning Commission already does?  Lame.  The last thing we need is to empanel a bunch of barflys on yet another city commission!

One of the owners of Chapter One: the Modern Local Restaurant (perhaps the most pretentious business name in Santa Ana) was there too – you may recall Tim O’Connor (one of their owners) went off on Downtown quinceanera shops a few weeks ago.  He told the Santa Ana City Council that “You can’t have the same shop, the same stores, the same exact same quinceanera shop across from the exact same quinceañera shop…exact same thing over and over again and expect to be successful. Times have changed. Fourth Street should change with those times,” according to the OC Weekly.

Planning Commissioner Sean Mill reminded those in attendance about what he said by telling the folks at the Planning Commission meeting that perhaps we don’t need bar after bar in to open up in our Downtown area.

The Santa Ana Police Department doesn’t want any more bars in Downtown Santa Ana either…

Mill told me later that he found it ironic that many of the same folks who drummed the Latino-owned bars out of our Downtown area years ago are now trying to open more bars – but of course they are marketing to a different crowd.  Mill also wondered why families are being forgotten in the mad rush to open more bars in the area.

Planning Commissioner Patrick Yrarrazaval, who is the Principal at Valley High School, opined that the Downtown area is a better place to open bars than, for example, opening one across from Lathrop.  Oops.  He apparently doesn’t consider the area charter schools to be public schools, even though they are.  Those schools include the Orange County High School for the Arts, the Edward B. Cole Sr. Academy, and the El Sol Science & Arts Academy of Santa Ana, plus the Orange County Educational Arts Academy (OCEAA).

Do we really need MORE bars in Downtown Santa Ana?  Really?  Santa Ana already has issued more liquor licenses than any other city in Orange County.  It’s not close.  I think we could use some more family restaurants.  Most of us cannot afford to eat at the newer restaurants.  A Chuck E. Cheese would be nice – Santa Ana is the largest city in Orange County without one.

The Proof guys have a lot of nerve asking for an expansion after one of their patrons was shot at 2 am in a nearby parking structure, last year.  The problem with Proof and the other bars is that they don’t serve food.  So their patrons get stone cold drunk.  I wonder how many of these drunks get away with driving under the influence, since the SAPD DUI checkpoints are usually set up in quiet neighborhoods with high numbers of immigrants?  Yes, once in awhile they set one up near Original Mike’s, but they should have motorcycle officers waiting outside Proof every night.  It would be easy pickings.

Nothing was settled tonight, but you can expect a hell of a fight as the Planning Commission weighs the new ruled.  I am pretty sure that the City Council majority won’t likely be swayed by the folks who were at tonight’s Planning Commission meeting.  Did I mention that Irv and Ryan Chase were there – along with their promoter, Archer Altstaetter?  Archer went off on what he intimated are antiquated city rules – but this is the guy who opened his new costume store without a business license!  What does he care about rules when he ignores them anyway?

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Our Editor, Art Pedroza, worked at the O.C. Register and the OC Weekly and studied journalism at CSUF and UCI. He has lived in Santa Ana for over 30 years and has served on several city and county commissions. When he is not writing or editing Pedroza specializes in risk control and occupational safety. He also teaches part time at Cerritos College and CSUF. Pedroza has an MBA from Keller University.
Art Pedroza

Our Editor, Art Pedroza, worked at the O.C. Register and the OC Weekly and studied journalism at CSUF and UCI. He has lived in Santa Ana for over 30 years and has served on several city and county commissions. When he is not writing or editing Pedroza specializes in risk control and occupational safety. He also teaches part time at Cerritos College and CSUF. Pedroza has an MBA from Keller University.

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  • "You are the only one that thinks otherwise...... Hmmmm

    Obviously Dr. Amalgam, I am an individualist not socialist.

    FYI Dr. Amalgam, the intelligence quotient ("IQ") is independent of the Intellectual skills like reading and writing and is genetically acquired.

    So if you are a carrier of the MM1 Gene, as it is in your case, no affirmative action will help you.

  • Dear Santa Ana Resident,

    I won’t speak for the others but we very much do cater to Santa Ana residents. We've done our market research...and we have embraced our community and our community continues to embrace us for going on 6 years. Without our local residents, who make up the largest percentage of our market, we would probably not still have our doors open. We value all of our customers but being a small business, we could not exist if the locals didn't flock to enjoy our offerings. In fact, I don’t know of any small brick and mortar service business that can be successful while excluding their community (so I guess I do speak for the others a bit).

    The discussion is not as you state: exclusive. We certainly include our local residents in our market research. And do you know what they want? They want the same. They know that serving our community first also means looking out for our priorities, which is added amenities, safety and more activity in the DT; to be a true 18 hour downtown. Plus they are sick of the same old faces too. They see Santa Ana as a gem for all to enjoy and they are certainly happy to have all the tax money that bringing people back into Santa Ana generates.

    I’m not sure how to respond to your message that:
    “…root of everything is the exclusion message that is received in our community.” You say the message is being received but not who is sending it. I speak to many business and land owners in downtown (yes, I am tri-lingual) and it seems that the majority agree than inclusion is our only path to growth when so many vacancies fill our downtown. Capitalism is very simple on the small scale; the businesses that prosper are the ones at which people chose to spend their money.

    But in the end, I am game. How would you like to see me cater to our residents even more? What exactly were you looking for? A locals night? You let me know when you’d like to meet me for a drink and I would be happy to discuss at length all that I can do to show my community that I am grateful for them, I support them, and I am proud to live, work, and own a business in our beautiful city. Just so that you know, I also hold fundraisers for the homeless, support our local PD & FD through donations, pay sales taxes, support local music and art, and have personally subdued an armed felon in the act of a crime. Go ask around at the other cities and let me know if their bar owners are as involved.

    P.S. I have met with the gentleman who bought the old Edison building. I admire him greatly and we seem to share the same opinion on what makes for growth and progress in the downtown.

  • Edison building? the one that says Southern California Gas company, the old home of the handlebar saloon?

    It will be nice to see that place live and breath again.

    Use to get drunk their in my youth and walk 15 blocks home.

  • What!!! Proof hired the "Moocher" aka Phillis Bacerra to lobby for them? Are they compensating him with "free booze"? Ah hahahahahahahahahahaha!

  • santa needs ART not new bars that are going to bring a bunch of suburbia narrow minded individuals that think of santa ana as ghetto

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