The Santiago Creek bike trail ends in the Fisher Park Neighborhood
A possible creekside bike trail proposed by some residents in north Santa Ana is generating controversy in an adjacent neighborhood, with neighbors arguing over whether the trail would create more crime and safety hazards in the area, according to the Voice of OC.
The irony is that the path is currently a major safety hazard – there are plenty of areas for miscreants to lie in wait. If it was a bike path it would be clear, clean and would attract decent people trying to get exercise – instead of the gang bangers who litter the area with trash and graffiti.
If you take the Santiago Creek bike trail from Santiago Park, under the tunnel that takes you below Main St., towards the Discovery Center, it winds first west then north, then it jogs west again, below the 5 Freeway. It ends right as the trail gets interesting – with a chain there to keep folks out and a foreboding trail ahead that is full of huge rocks. You can hike the trail, but it is impossible to bike through it – and on your left, there is eventually a sheer drop of at least 18 feet, to the rocky Santiago Creek bed below. On your right, as you walk through the trail, are homes of folks who don’t want you to be there.
A group of local residents has been working for years to create a trail that will go the full length of Santiago Creek and have been nudging elected officials and networking with city and county employees. After 4 years, Orange is completing their portion all the way to Santiago Oaks Regional Park. After 3 years, the City of Santa Ana has agreed to add a striped bike lane on Memory lane and Flower.
If this 0.25 mile segment is made into an official trail, it will be joining an approx 40 mile bike commuter/recreation beltway of 3 trails, linking together 4 neighborhoods in Santa Ana along the creek. This will also connect these trails to South Orange County’s Aliso Creek Bike Class 1 Bike Trail that starts up in Portola Hills and goes to Aliso Woods RP (an 18 mile trail). That is because Santiago Canyon has a bike lane that runs out there. We can achieve this by having a diagonal trail (Santiago Creek) connecting these other existing trails that all currently run parallel to each other.
Since the Santa Ana River Trail also runs up to North Orange County, we will be able to connect North, Central, and South Orange County all together by this diagonal trail.
If this gap is not bridged, it creates a huge disconnect requiring pedestrians and bikers to travel much further on busy streets around Main Place Mall and then on LaVeta and Bristol. Or over Broadway to Santa Clara (though Santa Clara is only 1 way out to Broadway).
The group is asking local officials to establish Orange County’s first Commuter Bike Beltway/Expressway for Orange County, while also connecting two National Recreation Trails (Mountains to the Sea Trail and the Santa Ana River Trail) by extending the Santiago Creek Trail to the Santa Ana River. Note: The Santiago Creek should also qualify to become a National Recreation Trail.
To accomplish this, approx a 1/4 mile gap still needs to be addressed in the creek in the Fisher Park Neighborhood Association, of which many neighbors are in favor of and a few are not. This is actually part of a 40 year old creek plan published in 1971.
The group is requesting that the City of Santa Ana and the OCTA classify the recently City approved Class 2 Bike trail on Memory Lane from Bristol to Flower as a “Tier 1 Regional Priority Proposed Bikeway” and expedite the approval of the grant and construction (striping of the road).
They are requesting that the City of Santa Ana and the OCTA approve a Class 1 Bike trail along the north side of the creek between the 5 Fwy and Fisher Park on Flower. This is approx 1/4 mile. City owns the property on the north bank and there currently is a foot path. They are also asking that this area be classified as a “Tier 1 Regional Priority Proposed Bikeway,” and expedite the funding and construction.
Locally, this would connect the neighborhoods together in Santa Ana who are currently separated (not able to travel by bike) between these areas (i.e. West Floral Park, Santiago Park, Floral Park). It would also provide the communities in this area of the creek a trail for them to use for hiking and biking like the Santa Ana communities on the other side of the 5 Fwy to the 22 Fwy. It will connect them all to the great parks, shopping, and entertainment.
Regionally, it would connect it to the other 2 trails creating a large commuter bike beltway and an awesome National Recreation Trail (3 connected together).
This is an urgent request as there will be considerable more traffic on the trail when the extension to Santiago Oaks is completed this year. Requiring individuals and families to navigate on the busy streets around Main Place Mall over LaVeta/Bristol which is longer and not bike friendly should be avoided. The path from Broadway to Santa Clara is not safe due to the Fwy off ramps and Santa Clara is one-way going west to Broadway (not able to enter in to West Floral – only out).
Here are the groups/individuals that support the trail plans:
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Mr. Apodaco,
The current bikeplan vision along the creek is at http://www.santiagogreenway.org/html/vision.html. It will be finished this December 2011.
There is still a missing link and that is in Jack Fisher to achieve the greater vision of connecting all the communities together.
Approximately 1000 homeowners and businesses along the Santiago Oaks Creek, Peters Canyon Creek to Newport Bay, and the Santa Ana River have allowed trails to be established. This has helped to pull together communities where the vast majority are law abiding.
We do not see Beach front homeowners excluding people from enjoying the beach and ocean. The same should apply to the creeks. Lets not keep keep our communities divided by driving a wedge between our neighboorhoods.
Mr. Apodaco, you had your Lawyer send a letter to the Boy Scouts basically indicating you did not want to have any Scouts doing community service projects in the Creek by his home. Some parents of Scouting were considering exploring this such as myself to remove trash, graffitti, overgrown non-native plants and possibly improve existing portions of the path (with neighboor's permissions on portions they own and the city's permission on the city's portion). Since it appears that you were possibly speaking for your neighboorhood, folks such as myself have been requested by the Boy Scout Council not to have any Boy Scouts doing any community service projects in this area of the creek to avoid upsetting homeowners. This is a loss to everyone.
Many people would be willing to pay a premium to purchase a home along a creek with an established public trail and a beautiful creek. For the minority who wants it to be exclsive just for themselves should live in private gated communities.
Unfortunately, the City Manager is currently exploring the feasability of fencing in this area of the creek in Floral Park and Jack Fisher to basically make it into a private gated community with its own exclusive creek section.
We hope that this does not happen as it will seperate Morrison Park and West Floral Park from Santiago Park along with all of the other neighborhoods along the creek in addition to Main Place Mall and the Discovery Science Center.
Lets join our neighboorhoods together along this Greenway. If Jack Fisher was alive he would be saying the same thing. Lets create a Legacy for us to enjoy and future generations.
United We Stand, Divided We Fall.
Mark Lindsey (been enjoying the creek for 18 years).
"Name calling and false information is all that is out there."..... Hmmmmm
FYI, Mr. Apodaca the name calling, as you are referring to my use of "moron" and "mongoloid", are actual medical terms to measure human intelligence.
However, liberal socialists, like your self, do not like when IQ is used to distinguish among the human beings so the substitute term is "challenged".
On that bases, I stand corrected and am restating: "Obviously you are anger driven challenged landlord. The issue at hand is easement [not] theft!"
Any reasonable person would allow an easement on a blight, aka pissing ground, which you proudly own.
I have seen disputes over an inch of land challenging neighbor's fence.
I personally do not know you Mr. Apodaca but Admin's statement "Thanks also for all the good work you did at the Bowers and for the good work you do now at Chapman University" must be an oxymoron or Admin's kiss-up.
If you want be true person of the community allow the easement!... you will be still an owner.
Since you will not do that Mr. Apodaca you are an antisocial element IMO regardless of what you have done or do for Bowers or Chapman respectively.
I looked it up, and since the property owners (the 6-7) have not sued the county / city to remove the improvement made to the creek bed and the creek bed itself.
There is an “Prescriptive Easement” in place for flood control and any other public use.
The legal test to acquire a prescriptive easement of another owner is that the use must be (a) open, not secret, (b) notorious, clearly observable, (c) hostile, without the landowner's consent and (c) continuous, without interruption for the number of years required by state law. 5 years in California. (those improvements have been in place since the 1969 flood)
Notice: not legal advice, go see a lawyer for legal advice.
"Prescriptive Easement"...... Hmmmmm
Excellent observation moron cook.
It is virtually same test as the "Adverse Possession" which includes a taxation.
It would be interesting to see if there was a property tax payed on the improvements and if not the county may Adversely Posses the creek bed itself and easements to it.
It's funny that everyone pays so much attention to the creek now.
For 15 years it's been ignored, crime, homeless camping, the usual teenager dope/beer shit, even a fair number of more serious crime.
Now a bike trail gets Correa's attention.
Not opposed/nor in favor, I just think the politics stink!
LOL! My fault actually. I introduced the trail activists to Correa.
Hi Kenlaysnotdead,
Not doing anything is more akin to "politics stink". The section in Fisher Park has remained a problem area due to resistance by a handful of neighboors. Over the last 20 years, many areas along the creek have improved as trail segments were introduced and more families have had access to enjoy the creek and the parks along it. This was achieved by activists and elected officials. Senator Lou Correa wants to improve the neighboorhood for the greater good like some of the City Council and many other folks. Visit the other areas of the creek that has a trail and you will understand (see the light).
I use the single track trail connecting fisher park with the santiago trail daily. I commute and this is one of the most peaceful areas.
It is already a trail and already heavily traveled. We will continue to use this already existing trail!
I wouldn't advise anyone to ride a bike through the Fisher Park dirt path. It is rocky and dangerous!
You guys are crazy. It is only rocky for 20 feet. Carry your bike and ride an awesome single track!
Get on a bike and experience life!
You expect kids to do that? What about the rest of this trail - it is strewn with other hazards, including low branches, power lines, unprotected heights of at least 15 to 18 feet, etc. It is not a safe trail and you are irresponsible to urge people to use it, as it is.
And that is without mentioning the shady characters to be found along it.
I commute to and from work by bicycle daily. I take the current singletrack trail there. I agree that it can be a sketchy spot, but its much safer than taking chances with my bicycle on the city streets. Turn this into a bike path so those of us that do commute by bicycle, can get to and from work alive!
But wouldn't it be nicer if it was cleaned up - even a dirt bike path would be better than the mess there now!
As another bike commuter I wish that portion of the bike path was open, it would make it safe for me and many others who use nearby paths. It is ironic, but the OCTA is based in our city, Santa Ana, yet we still can't have a decent bike path in the Northern portion of the city going East to West. I applaud the OCTA initiatives to commute by bike and use alternative transportation. Still, we can't finalize a 1/4 mile portion of a bike path and we haven't been able to use resources from the OCTA available each year for bike paths. Let's look at the benefits of more bike commuters and fewer cars on the street, for one, cleaner air; Santa Ana needs lots of catch up to do, let's start.