The Lincoln Club’s immigration-reform proposal is ridiculous

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• Since the economy collapsed about 50,000 Mexican nationals working in Orange County and living in Santa Ana left. Dropping the population from an expected 375,000 to 325,000 as of Apr. 1st 2010.

  Now it is Nov. 12, 2011, and if you could take a head count now, Santa Ana population would be even less.

  No job, No money, why stay?

  A few years ago it was constantly reported that there was 12 million illegal’s in the US (Mexicans or all type?) You don’t hear about that anymore, maybe the number has dropped to 8 million now.

  There is no need for immigration reform, the national depression is taking care of that.

  • Exactly my point. A new amnesty may have headed off this recession. It is not too late to do it now and end this economic malaise.

• "It is not too late to do it now and end this economic malaise"..... Hmmmm

  Look people who are unable to maintain their own country aren't definitely an asset but the liability.

  Admin, do you have affirmative action education in the economics?

• "Martin Wisckol reported this week that the Orange County Lincoln Club, a group of rich Republican businessmen, has “announced an immigration-reform proposal that would provide a path to legal residency for illegal immigrants.”

  From what I understand the lincoln Club is proposing a immigration plan to include their three points and a pathway to legal residency.

  Legal resident = Permanent resident..........so taking into consideration the Lincoln Club Proposal and the USA Immigration law......the result is a form of amnesty without calling it so in order not to offend those that seethe word in emotional terms.

  Permanent residence (United States)

  From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

  United States lawful permanent residency refers to a person's immigration status: the person is authorized to live and work in the United States of America on a permanent basis.

  A United States Permanent Resident Card (USCIS Form I-551), formerly Alien Registration Card or Alien Registration Receipt Card (INS Form I-151), is an identification card attesting to the permanent resident status of an alien in the United States. It is known informally as a green card because it had been green in color from 1946 until 1964, and it has reverted to that color since May 2010.[1] Green card also refers to an immigration process of becoming a permanent resident. The green card serves as proof that its holder, a Lawful Permanent Resident (LPR), has been officially granted immigration benefits, which include permission to reside and take employment in the USA. The holder must maintain permanent resident status, and can be removed from the United States if certain conditions of this status are not met.

  Green cards were formerly issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS). During a re-organization process, that agency was absorbed into and replaced by the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services (BCIS), part of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). Shortly after that re-organization, BCIS was renamed to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), which still retains the responsibility for issuing green cards.

  Permanent residents of the United States eighteen years of age or older must carry their valid physical green card itself at all times. Failing to do so would be a violation of the Immigration and Nationality Act, carrying the possibility of a fine up to $100 and/or imprisonment for up to 30 days for each offense. [2] Only the federal government can impose these penalties.[3]

  [edit] Path to U.S. citizenship

  A Lawful Permanent Resident can apply for United States citizenship, or naturalization, after five years of residency. This period is shortened to three years if married to a U.S. citizen, or four years if permanent residency was received through asylum. Lawful Permanent Residents may submit their applications for naturalization as early as 90 days before meeting the residency requirement. Citizens are entitled to more rights (and obligations) than permanent residents (who are still classified as aliens in this respect). Lawful Permanent Residents generally do not have the right to vote, the right to be elected in federal and state elections, the ability to bring family members to the United States (permanent residents are allowed to sponsor certain family members,[9] but this is often not practical due to long approval delays[10][11]), or eligibility for federal government jobs. Male permanent residents between the ages of 18 and 26 are subject to registering in the Selective Service System. Permanent residents who reside in the US must pay taxes on their worldwide income, like U.S. citizens. Certain conditions that may put a permanent resident in deportation proceedings do not apply to U.S. citizens.

• "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"....... Hmmmmm

  Dr. Amalgam why are you using the free encyclopedia?

  Is your business in 1% class so bad that you can't afford to pay for it?

• Stanley Fiala says:

  November 12, 2011 at 5:49 pm

  “From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia”……. Hmmmmm

  Dr. Amalgam why are you using the free encyclopedia?

  Is your business in 1% class so bad that you can’t afford to pay for it?

  Hmmmmmmmmm why not use it. What do you dispute in the inf.?

  Pay for what>

• I've always wondered, Mr. Admin, if the area was overrun with illegally arrived, incognito, "undocumented" Muslims, Iranians or Norwegians for that matter, would your inclination toward amnesty and giving all of them welfare, schooling, healthcare and food stamps be the same (to say nothing about no jailing them for plain breaking the law)?

  • Funny that you mention "Norwegians." The old Red Onion got busted for using that word - as code. Their security guards would call in to management when there were too many Mexicans, saying that there were too many "Norwegians."

    As for benefits, those who abuse that the most in the OC are the Vietnamese, not the Mexicans. Nationally you will find white people are on welfare more than Mexicans are. And of those Mexicans that are on welfare many if not most are second and third generation Americans, despoiled by bad schools and sometimes bad parenting.

    Do you ever see Mexicans begging for food? In Santa Ana most of the homeless are white and black Americans. I never see Mexicans begging for anything.

• Nice job of dodging the question with unrelated, anecdotal comments and unsupported "facts".

  Disraeli (not Twain) once said "There are lies, damned lies and statistics". You managed to hit on all three.

  • So Bozeman, perhaps you would like to share with us what Native American tribe you hail from? Otherwise you are just another descendant of Euro invaders to this continent, with no room to talk.

• Rich Republican businessmen/Businesswomen ......like the Lincoln Club and others would hardly propose a path to legal residency for the undocumented in the US and for future Immigrants if they believed what Bozeman believes about Mexican immigrants documented or not.....abuse welfare and rely on food stamps.

  Nobody that advocates immigration reform wants what Bozeman is concerned with.

• STUDY BY PENN STATE UNIVERSITY:

  Mexican immigrants more likely to move from welfare to work

  Friday, July 24, 2009

  Prior to welfare reform, Mexican immigrants were more likely than other groups to transition from welfare to work, particularly in states that provided more generous welfare benefits, according to sociologists.

  "This research refutes welfare reform assumptions that immigrants and disadvantaged native citizens seek out and maintain welfare assistance for the same reasons," said Jennifer Van Hook, associate professor of sociology and demography in the College of the Liberal Arts at Penn State. "In the case of Mexican immigrants, welfare seems to be used primarily to minimize the effects of gaps in employment, not to avoid work or perpetuate dependency."

  Among women who reported receiving Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC, the pre-welfare reform version of TANF), Mexican immigrants were significantly more likely to exit welfare within one year (57.7 percent) than were white (37.9 percent) or black (36.4 percent) natives.

  Using samples of 4,071 racially diverse immigrant women and 9,265 white or black native women from the Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP), Van Hook and Frank D. Bean, University of California-Irvine, analyzed longitudinal data from the 1990 through 1993 annual SIPP panels. The researchers chose to analyze pre-welfare reform data due to the lack of special restrictions related to migration status on the welfare eligibility of legal immigrants. The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (Welfare Reform Act) of 1996 barred legal immigrants entering the United States after Aug. 22, 1996, from receiving assistance for the first five years after entry.

  The research underscores the importance of taking cultural considerations into account in explaining immigrant welfare behaviors. Van Hook and Bean attribute the lower rates of welfare receipt and higher rates of post-welfare employment of Mexican immigrant women to the strong pro-employment cultural orientation among these immigrants.

  "Our research suggests that the strong involvement of work and family in the Mexican decision to migrate leads to the prioritization of employment well after migration, minimizing welfare receipt and increasing post-welfare employment," Van Hook said. "Further, immigrant public assistance may in fact have a positive effect on integration, helping immigrants to work their way out of poverty and off of welfare."

  Welfare reform is not likely to deter future Mexican immigration, according to Van Hook and Bean, if policymakers are indeed misguided in assuming that immigrants are drawn to the United States by welfare, or that immigrants assimilate into welfare. Instead, welfare reform actually may delay economic incorporation, particularly if no other form of economic settlement assistance is available to immigrants experiencing conditions of great economic need.

  The findings were published in their article "Explaining Mexican Immigrant Welfare Behaviors: The Importance of Employment-Related Cultural Repertoires" in the June issue of American Sociological Review.

• You have to spend some time in the Civic Center area to see the "poor Mexicans" on the dole. My heart goes out to them, but they are the majority out there. There are more Mexican drug dealers and druggies than any other in that area. And they all go out and get free food in the Civic Center. The reason it bugs me is because I have seen more and more families out there, who REALLY need it rather than the druggies who simply want a hand out. See them every day, and sorry to say, many are Mexican American.

  • This recession really has gotten out of hand. I believe it will cost Obama the White House next year.