Crosby hate crime/murder update

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• Why was it obviously a hate crime?

  • Prove that it's not.

    • "Obviously"??? Great reporting not biased at all

      • This is a blog. Feel free go pay for a subscription to the Register if all you want is watered down news.

        • I heard it was aliens disguised as hispanics. Prove that it wasn't! By far the worst possible answer that you could have responded with.

• The hate must go both ways then because Asian girls yelling "Beaner" at Latins is quite common. Also, drunk kids emerging from Crosby, to fight or puke in the street is a nightly occurance.

  Our downtown is clearly broken. It may be time for Santa Ana to be marketed as something other than a binge drinking destination.

  • WRONG! Nothing is broken! Focus on the crime and not the f'n city or the Crosby. Grow up, pull your head out.

• I'm also wondering why it is "obviously a hate crime."

  I've spent some time dining/drinking in DTSA. On the occasions that I have been there, I've noticed two things: 1) I feel just as safe there as I do in downtown Orange or Fullerton (two other cities I know pretty well) and 2) amoung the different races of people that hang out in DTSA, Asians are not in the minority. There have been times when the bar I was in was at least 80% Asian people.

  In fact, I was driving past the Crosby when this incident occurred. I had to stop in the street, eventhough the light was green, because there were so many people in the street. The police and ambulances had not arrived yet, but I could tell that something was happening. From my vantage point in my car (directly in front of the Crosby) I saw the girl on the ground unconcious, I saw the security guards, and I saw people running away. None of the people I observed appeared to be gang members. More like hipsters.

  Of course, I wasn't there in the mix while the incident occurred, so I don't know what was said or how the fight went down, but neither does the blogger. I think before we go pointing fingers or making assumptions, we should first get the facts.

• “As I drive away from the mural, down the path where the aroma of sweet flowers conquer the air and the trees’ willowy branches kiss the earth, I look around me and see in the vastness of the green grass plains, many other families and individuals at their loved ones’ graves. Some are weeping, some are praying, some are lost in thought. But I know one thing we all share; it is the honorable way in which we commemorate the precious souls of our loved ones.” – “Beyond the Oversized White Gates” by Annie Kim Pham 

• "As i drive away from the mural"
  I like that Anonymous and Annie Kim Pham!

  Maybe there will be more memorial collaborations at Artwalk like there was for Kelly Thomas and the murdered Santora mural.
  There is so much irrational hate and injustice going on in the OC.
  A culture in decline unless we get to work fast on fixing it.

  • Nothing broken.

• KTLA is reporting the first suspect is:

  Elizabeth Robles
  Age: 20
  Bail: 50K
  Weight: 170 lbs

  They are also referencing the slur yelled out by one of the female attackers.

  • More proof will emerge as additional suspects are arrested. I am sure of it. It won't be long before the mainstream media is calling this a hate crime.

• The OC Register says this about the Crosby - "The Crosby, a foodie favorite that transforms into a music venue at night, is one of several bars and restaurants .."

  The Crosby is NOT a "foodie" place - no way - it has really crappy food just to get around regulations required of a bar.

  • NOT! The pizzas are fabulous!

• There are many tragedies in this story, but the most glaring one is the that there were so many warnings to City Council that this is exactly the kind of thing that would happen given the free reign on bars and the lax security by DTI's so-called "Clean and Safe" program, which turns a blind eye to excessive drinking and fighting downtown.

  It's not surprising, because there are only three guards in the whole downtown at night, and their bosses at Downtown Stink pay them to hush up problems. Ever tried getting one of the "C&S" rent-a-cops to call SAPD to report a disturbance? Good luck! Clean and Safe is dirty.

  It's time to audit DTI's Clean and Safe records to see what else they are not reporting to the SAPD. Public intoxication. Bars recklessly selling alcohol. Drug dealers. Crime. Graffiti. You bet.

  The Crosby is at fault, too, for all the reasons already stated. Why didn't they stop the fight? Where's the 911 call? Where's the call to Clean and Safe? The police station is only a few blocks away and DTI's bike guards are supposed to be closer.

  It's also true that Asians are not the minority at the downtown bars, and that they get stumble drunk every weekend. That is what DTI is marketing has achieved. You can't blame college kids for wanting to get blotto, but you can hold responsible the bars that let it happen and profit from creating a public safety hazard. We mourn Kim Pham, but what about the innocent Mexican mother who was killed in front of her family by a drunk White hit-and-run driver while crossing the street on a Sunday afternoon? Seems like White people flee murder scenes too, and this also happened near the Crosby.

  DTI charges the city $400,000 for "Clean and Safe" to keep the heat off of abuses by local bars. Time to do what the bartenders downtown need to learn to do when people pass their limit. Cut 'em off!

  • Hey ass head, check your facts! THE CITY IS RUNNING THE CLEAN AND SAFE! PART OF THE DEAL BETWEEN THE TWO ENTITIES! DUMB ASS! You are clueless!

    • DTI is running Clean and Safe w/ $400K of tax payer money as part of deal. Check your facts.

      • Except that two Asian patrons have been brutally murdered in 3 years and the hipster restaurants have terrible health records.

      • WRONG! They did not get $400k! It was SPLIT between the loser Mexican team and DTI. CHECK YOUR FACTS! Idiot!

  • Sounds like your racist ways could use some clean up. Go back to your rock.

• ".. but what about the innocent Mexican mother who was killed in front of her family by a drunk White hit-and-run driver while crossing the street on a Sunday afternoon? Seems like White people flee murder scenes too .."

  You cannot make an equivalency here - she was attacked by a pack of rabid coyotes.

  • And what do YOU call a drunk driver that kills a mother in front of her kids and then speeds off like a coward? A respectable Irvine resident? Shame on you, Seamus MacDuff.

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